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Poster: gphishmon Date: Nov 23, 2008 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead's Cover of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"

There's something really %^*ed up about this post, really cynical, not understanding what it's about. 1989-1991 was the best period for the Dead since the 70's, hands down.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 23, 2008 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Learn to tolerate an iota of criticism....

huh? ....oh i thought this thread was dead....

well phish man you know, all opinions are welcome. and sure 89-91 was OK -- that was certainly "my era," when i saw the most shows, almost all in the NE, from East Rutherford to Boston. and if you think only in terms of an insulated "dead world" you can certainly make a case for just about anything they ever did.

but frankly, i would NEVER play a concert from post 83 to a Non-head for purposes of expecting them to enjoy or get anything out of the music. the singing is bad, the use of MIDI technology soul-less. the dead was ALWAYS about the CONTEXT, the scene, the vibe -- and as the years progressed this became more and more the case. ....A Scene with cool music. whereas previously, it was The Music with a cool scene too....


i don't think the Grateful Dead listened to very much dead music at all.... funny so many of their fans ONLY listen to the Grateful Dead. SO, you have a group of musicians with a VERY HIGH MUSIC INTELLECT playing to a hopelessly devoted bunch of fans with a very, VERY narrow area of focus. as it is said, YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT.



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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Nov 23, 2008 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Learn to tolerate an iota of criticism....

"... the singing is bad, the use of MIDI technology soul-less. the dead was ALWAYS about the CONTEXT, the scene, the vibe -- and as the years progressed this became more and more the case. ....A Scene with cool music. whereas previously, it was The Music with a cool scene too...."

Well put.
I completely agree, felt that way for a long time but was never able to articulate it so.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 23, 2008 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Learn to tolerate an iota of criticism....

I'll back that up, too. Yes, there are exceptions and they should be celebrated and pointed out (Alpine '89, the Branford shows of '90 & some others in '90)....but on the whole Jerry's voice was shot by the late 80's/early 90's and the magnificent jams of the 60's and 70's were yielded in favor of MIDI substitutions and Brent's increasingly toy-piano tinkling.

To be fair, the late to mid-70's Dead (mt favorite era) was marred by the caterwauling off-key backing vocals of you-know-who, but the music itself and the vocals from the main players were far superior.

and I say all this as one who saw the vast majority of his shows from '85 to '94. (Although I am fortunate to have seen shows beginning in 1979, so I caught some of what I believe was their last truly GREAT stretch of shows, up until about 1982-83, with some excpetions of '84 thrown in).

What He's Live said about the band listening to their own music is also true, and an amazing irony.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 23, 2008 11:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: ESTIMATED PROPHET: Re: Learn to tolerate an iota of criticism....

thanks for chiming in grendel and bob gnarley (...?) .... sometimes the Dead world bums me out a little. i know i am gonna rub some people the wrong way, and others will me -- that's no big deal... but every once in a while i fear i may awaken the "KINDNESS POLICE".... and all the sudden these people all come out of the woodwork.

en masse, i think the deadheads are susceptible to getting a little too TRIBAL in their thinking and reactions to outsiders or dissenting opinion. in fact, as a member of the tribe (to some extent) myself, i have learned that if i really want to talk about it passionately, in any regard, i had better save my rant for the Family.... for i know, whatever i say, the general citizenry is not interested and will only further hold me in contempt and take my words for proselytizing. when i believe the Grateful Dead really lend themselves to such a large scope of appreciation and discussion. the legacy's Meaning, Vitality, and Significance is so much bigger than any one concert or couple of years.

and yet.... as long as i have followed the band, off and on for the last 20 years.... there are always people who want to exclude, people who are afraid others won't like it, and worst of all, people who think THEY LOVE IT THE MOST.... and there is no room for people who only love 90% of IT.

i think Bobby Wrote a song about the phenomenon: ESTIMATED PROPHET:

(BTW, this is my best effort on THIS version.... cheers to the Family):

My time coming, any day, don't worry bout me, no
Been so long I felt this way, I ain't in no hurry, no
Rainbows end down that highway where ocean breezes blow
My time coming, the voices say... and they tell me where I go

Don't worry bout me, no no, don't worry bout me, no
I ain't in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go.....

California, preaching on the burning shore
California, knock, knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, you know I'm gonna shine...

My time coming, anyday, don't worry bout me, no
Been so long i felt this way, i ain't in no hurry no...
This afternoon the streets turned grey, and i watched the cars below
Still I know I lead the way, them voices tell me so...

Don't worry bout me, no no, don't worry bout me, no
I ain't in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go

California, a prophet on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, You know I'm gonna shine

You've all been asleep,
You would not believe me
Them voices telling me,
You will soon receive me
Shining on the beach,
The sea will part before me
(Fire wheel burning in the air)
And you will follow me,
And we will ride to glory
(Way up the middle of the air)

And I'll call down thunder
And speak the same
And my word fills the sky with flame
And might and glory gonna be my name
And men gonna light my way

My time coming, anyday, don't worry bout me, no
Been so long I felt this way, now time sure passin slow
But them voices tell me what to say, they tell me where I go
So I know I lead the way, them voices tell me so

Don't worry about me, nah-nah, Don't worry about me no...




The funny part being, this guy is listening to voices -- and like everyone who is hearing "Unique Voices" that only speak to them -- THEY "Know" ok.... they already Know the path to follow and all the answers to all the questions.... and hell if they don't know, then someday the voices will tell them so.....


so don't worry about them, NAH-NAH don't worry about them no.....





This post was modified by He Live's on 2008-11-24 07:19:11